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  • His ultimatum. “If I take you now, I have you for always.” Gross. He’s the worst. His misogynistic fixation on OWNING Bri makes him a better character from the 1700s not the 1900s. Why is he so hell bent on her virginity and having her forever? It’s pissing me off and killing the romance factor of the show for me.

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    • Totally agree. One of the attractive things about Jamie was that he wasn't hellbent on those kinds of misogynistic norms of his own time. And here's a dude who's kind of the opposite. I hope the pummeling he got taught him a lesson.

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    • Right there with you. He's become a prime example of the secret asshole disguised as a "nice guy", an entitled misogynist who thinks he deserves the girl his way cause he's a "nice" guy. Fuck that. Am seriously disgusted that this series has continued that relationship that Briana is STILL in to him. Ugh. Way to glamorize a toxic relationship Starz!

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    • It is NOT in our time period.  Roger's time period in in the 60's.  And honestly,IMO the book gives a different take.  Roger is one of my favorite book characters.  

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    • I cannot see Briana’s attraction to Roger.  He is meek, dull and physically unattractive. His hair is graying and he must be at least 15 or more years older than Briana. His being a misogynist doesn’t help either. Roger lacks spirit.

      Briana demanded everyone put their lives on pause to undertake a long and dangerous search for Roger when it was she who sent him away. But then, it’s all about Briana.

      Briana was disrespectful to Jamie without understanding the man, his motives for beating up Roger, or the times that he lives in.

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    • Correction:  Brianna.

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    • Roger is anything but meek............he is a great character, a man of honor as you will see, and the casting is grreat.........Richard Rankin does a great job and he also sings very well, which Roger will do later. 

      I prefer the no beard look, and the attraction to Brianna and back dates back to the Xmas before Claire left..........Roger is exaclty 8 years older than  Brianna  (your comment makes me think you have not read hte books) and yes he is a man who is ready to commit and that is why he wants her to do the same.........she is not sure she wants to commit as she thinks about Claire and Frank and then Claire meeting Jamie........Roger's motives have nothing to do with her virginity, you are way off understanding this complex interaction. 

      Brianna does not undersand Jamie's motives, that is true.......but as I have already said in other posts she is not prepared for life in the 18c (if she undershood its dangers, she would not have followed Bonnet alone to him room).......but that is a conflict that makes it all interesting........Claire was the same in S1 / B1..........that got her a beating and got everyine in trouble and also made it very interesting to watch / read.........

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    • I just wished Roger wouldn't have just stood there, while the father of his bride sacrificed himself for him, I waited for just a simple gesture, a word! He could have pleaded a bit more, for the inocent lives traded for his.He could have offered his diamonds. Also Claire and Jamie kinda gave up too easy on Ian. They went to so much trouble to go after him over the seas, and now they just leave him? Not in Claire's character to just give up :(

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    • You are kidding right? The father in law beat him and sold him in slavery and months after showed up to free him. So pleading for the person who put him in this situation does not fit - this scene is before the talk the three of them had and remember that in this scene Roger knows nothing besides the suffering he went thru....Roger also knows that pleading would not work.........

      If you have read the books or actually listened closely to what Roger said to Jamie (Roger believed that Jamie beat him because it was Brianna who sent her father as she didn't want Roger back) you will see that in the scene with the Indians, Roger is still unclear if he even has a future with Brianna......

      Richard Rankins's performance in this last eposide was the best of all actors and his best as well...... especially when he was finding the truth, piece by piece.....

      Ian stayed with the Indians as he hooked up with a girl from this tribe (as per the book). That was possible as Jamie, Claire and Ian had stayed and negotiated with the tribe for some days before even seeing Roger. The show could not show the girl (Ian's future wife). 

      Claire (as a mother) would logcially do the best for her daugher first (i.e. save her beloved), than will come concern for her nephew.......so unfortunately I find Claire's behavior quite natural as well. 

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    • I know that the introduction of Jamie to Roger was short, in the hut, before they got him out, and the fact that they were the reason he ended up there, but the moment was very touching, Jamie offering to stay, Claire saying goodbyes, Ian offering, Claire and Jamie saying goodbyes, and just felt like there had to be a close-up, or a line from Roger, acknowledging their sacrifice. Just some eye contact, hihi...

      I'm not criticizing the actor, I felt some scenes we're rushed, but hey, I guess it's a hard job for the directors and creatives as well...

      I haven't read the books, but I think I will start, during this droughlander :) I'm not sure if it's good timing. It's so nice to know there is more behind Ian's choice! 

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    • Glad I helped by providing more insight....some scenes are rushed, but with 60 min what can they do........Jamie and Roger will be quite close later on, so nothng to worry about......and the books are the best, every next book is better than the previous, B8 being my favourite.......I hope you enjoy them 

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    • In the books Jamie and Roger speak before Jamie beat Roger up. Roger even claims that Brianna is his wife and Jamie stops him, not listening and beats him, Ian helping..........so Jamie did screw up a lot, a lot

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    • Do you recommend I start reading the books now? Or better not mixing them with watching the series?

      I'm hoping they make the story and my Outlander love richer! 

      Thanks!

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    • We are in for a year of no show, so I would start reading. 

      I had read B1 5 yrs ago and then did not continue. Then caught S3 last year and figured some things out to finish watching it. Then read all eight books one after another, read some for a second time and watched the S1 / S2........

      Now I can't wait for B9 to come out this summer.......B1 is a little harder to read, but once you get hooked and you get past the Scottish :), you will love them.......you aslo have the faces of the actors in your head  to relate to as you read, which makes a great experience........the ones that are yet not on the show, you start imagining who might be a good choice to cast.......my weakness is adult William.........can't wait to see who will be cast in that role in S7 :)

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    • You sure mixed it up a bit! :)

      Hope the Scottish will get through, English is not my native language , and although there are translations in my language, I wish to read them as they were written! 

      Adult William you say !? Looking forward to a family reunion then! 

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